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	<title>Comments on: Cappuccino&#8217;s FlickrDemo in 45 lines of jQuery</title>
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	<description>and broken promises</description>
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		<title>By: ckkc</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-16844</link>
		<dc:creator>ckkc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your version better than Cappaccino&#039;s in every way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your version better than Cappaccino&#8217;s in every way.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick in Vegas</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-12751</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick in Vegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The version of cappuccino tested against jquery was not at all as mature as jquery.  As cappuccino has matured, many of the problems described have abated.

Keep in mind, too, that though only less than 100 lines of code were used, 200 lines of CSS were used ( for the jquery version ), and even then it didn&#039;t support IE.  Cappuccino abstracts away the need for trying to support all the different browsers, and allows the developer to focus on the app.

One bottom line, though, might be that not all developers like, or care, about javascript.  We&#039;re paid to develop apps, and to have to struggle with all the different quirks of different browsers (especially IE that seems to feel it doesn&#039;t have to follow any standards ) is just a drag.  Many of us just need to write an app, and have it work.  To be fair, the majority of &#039;many of us&#039; would likely be objective-c/cocoa programmers, LOL.

I&#039;ve used jquery, and like it.  For a great many things, it&#039;s just the ticket.  But, I am not a javascript/css guy.  I can code with them, but don&#039;t want to have to.  Something like cappuccino, that lets me leverage my objective-c/cocoa skills, and build something for the web is way cool.  It is improving by the day, and is very usable now ( 2010 ).

Of course it won&#039;t supplant jquery/css, etc.  I don&#039;t think that is its intent.  It is just another tool.  Those masters of jquery/css, etc. don&#039;t ever need to use it.  They have honed their skills with that tool set.  Cappuccino is for, I think, a different set of developers.  It allows us to do some cool things on the web, using tools for which we have honed our skills.  No more, no less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The version of cappuccino tested against jquery was not at all as mature as jquery.  As cappuccino has matured, many of the problems described have abated.</p>
<p>Keep in mind, too, that though only less than 100 lines of code were used, 200 lines of CSS were used ( for the jquery version ), and even then it didn&#8217;t support IE.  Cappuccino abstracts away the need for trying to support all the different browsers, and allows the developer to focus on the app.</p>
<p>One bottom line, though, might be that not all developers like, or care, about javascript.  We&#8217;re paid to develop apps, and to have to struggle with all the different quirks of different browsers (especially IE that seems to feel it doesn&#8217;t have to follow any standards ) is just a drag.  Many of us just need to write an app, and have it work.  To be fair, the majority of &#8216;many of us&#8217; would likely be objective-c/cocoa programmers, LOL.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used jquery, and like it.  For a great many things, it&#8217;s just the ticket.  But, I am not a javascript/css guy.  I can code with them, but don&#8217;t want to have to.  Something like cappuccino, that lets me leverage my objective-c/cocoa skills, and build something for the web is way cool.  It is improving by the day, and is very usable now ( 2010 ).</p>
<p>Of course it won&#8217;t supplant jquery/css, etc.  I don&#8217;t think that is its intent.  It is just another tool.  Those masters of jquery/css, etc. don&#8217;t ever need to use it.  They have honed their skills with that tool set.  Cappuccino is for, I think, a different set of developers.  It allows us to do some cool things on the web, using tools for which we have honed our skills.  No more, no less.</p>
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		<title>By: Land Rover Lover</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-6193</link>
		<dc:creator>Land Rover Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think the Cappuccino folks were ever in ANY way trying to diss JQuery.  If JQuery folks interpreted it that way then that is on them for being ridiculously defensive.  The bottom line is both technologies are incredibly cool and useful, and both have different strengths and weaknesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think the Cappuccino folks were ever in ANY way trying to diss JQuery.  If JQuery folks interpreted it that way then that is on them for being ridiculously defensive.  The bottom line is both technologies are incredibly cool and useful, and both have different strengths and weaknesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-5935</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A year later, in Firefox 3.5.3 and Safari 4.0.3, the speed difference is virtually indistinguishable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A year later, in Firefox 3.5.3 and Safari 4.0.3, the speed difference is virtually indistinguishable.</p>
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		<title>By: tic</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-5614</link>
		<dc:creator>tic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. Did someone tried to build 280slides in jquery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Did someone tried to build 280slides in jquery?</p>
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		<title>By: tic</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-5613</link>
		<dc:creator>tic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a&gt;  Did someone choose C for enterprise app? If they did, are they still in the market?

b&gt; Did someone use java to write compilers, linkers, loaders? 

It&#039;s not right for Cappuccino to compete with jquery for everyday web sites, or even web apps of flickr or flickr demo type or most of the web apps built today.
Cappuccino would loose.

But it&#039;s not right for jquery to compete with Cappuccino for the types of apps which Cappuccino is supposed to build  like 280 slides or a web version of photoshop.

I have been using jQuery for years now. However, 

I  see the need for Cappuccino, imagining  the kind of web we are dreaming to build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a&gt;  Did someone choose C for enterprise app? If they did, are they still in the market?</p>
<p>b&gt; Did someone use java to write compilers, linkers, loaders? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not right for Cappuccino to compete with jquery for everyday web sites, or even web apps of flickr or flickr demo type or most of the web apps built today.<br />
Cappuccino would loose.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not right for jquery to compete with Cappuccino for the types of apps which Cappuccino is supposed to build  like 280 slides or a web version of photoshop.</p>
<p>I have been using jQuery for years now. However, </p>
<p>I  see the need for Cappuccino, imagining  the kind of web we are dreaming to build.</p>
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		<title>By: cody lindley</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-3459</link>
		<dc:creator>cody lindley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greatly enjoy when tangible code is crafted to make a point. Well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greatly enjoy when tangible code is crafted to make a point. Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Wulf</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-2621</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Wulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic example! Thanks for taking a few hours out of your day to work on this.

Cappuccino definitely has some fantastic technology - but to count jQuery out as script-kiddie is a plain lie.

I just wrote up a post that goes into depth about what Cappuccino is, when to use it vs jQuery, and why. Love your thoughts:

http://welcome.totheinter.net/2008/09/07/cappuccino-taking-the-web-out-of-web-development/

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic example! Thanks for taking a few hours out of your day to work on this.</p>
<p>Cappuccino definitely has some fantastic technology &#8211; but to count jQuery out as script-kiddie is a plain lie.</p>
<p>I just wrote up a post that goes into depth about what Cappuccino is, when to use it vs jQuery, and why. Love your thoughts:</p>
<p><a href="http://welcome.totheinter.net/2008/09/07/cappuccino-taking-the-web-out-of-web-development/" rel="nofollow">http://welcome.totheinter.net/2008/09/07/cappuccino-taking-the-web-out-of-web-development/</a></p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Pixlmixr</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-2618</link>
		<dc:creator>Pixlmixr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m running Firefox 3 ( Ubuntu ) on a 333 MHZ Pentium.  Performance is a big issue for me!  The JQuery version loads a LOT faster.

I&#039;ve messed around with a few other libs (YUI, Moo, Dojo)  but I like JQuery the best -- clear and easily understood syntax, small library footprint and good performance.  Plus a wide array of plugins and an active, friendly developer community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m running Firefox 3 ( Ubuntu ) on a 333 MHZ Pentium.  Performance is a big issue for me!  The JQuery version loads a LOT faster.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve messed around with a few other libs (YUI, Moo, Dojo)  but I like JQuery the best &#8212; clear and easily understood syntax, small library footprint and good performance.  Plus a wide array of plugins and an active, friendly developer community.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an exercise in learning I took your jQuery demo and swapped out the javascript with Prototype and Scriptaculous javascript.  You can find the result here:

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~dburger/demos/prototype/flickr/flickr.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an exercise in learning I took your jQuery demo and swapped out the javascript with Prototype and Scriptaculous javascript.  You can find the result here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.hawaii.edu/~dburger/demos/prototype/flickr/flickr.html" rel="nofollow">http://www2.hawaii.edu/~dburger/demos/prototype/flickr/flickr.html</a></p>
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