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	<title>Comments on: Cappuccino&#8217;s FlickrDemo in 45 lines of jQuery</title>
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	<description>and broken promises</description>
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		<title>By: Land Rover Lover</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-6193</link>
		<dc:creator>Land Rover Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think the Cappuccino folks were ever in ANY way trying to diss JQuery.  If JQuery folks interpreted it that way then that is on them for being ridiculously defensive.  The bottom line is both technologies are incredibly cool and useful, and both have different strengths and weaknesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think the Cappuccino folks were ever in ANY way trying to diss JQuery.  If JQuery folks interpreted it that way then that is on them for being ridiculously defensive.  The bottom line is both technologies are incredibly cool and useful, and both have different strengths and weaknesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-5935</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A year later, in Firefox 3.5.3 and Safari 4.0.3, the speed difference is virtually indistinguishable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A year later, in Firefox 3.5.3 and Safari 4.0.3, the speed difference is virtually indistinguishable.</p>
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		<title>By: tic</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-5614</link>
		<dc:creator>tic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. Did someone tried to build 280slides in jquery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Did someone tried to build 280slides in jquery?</p>
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		<title>By: tic</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-5613</link>
		<dc:creator>tic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a&gt;  Did someone choose C for enterprise app? If they did, are they still in the market?

b&gt; Did someone use java to write compilers, linkers, loaders? 

It&#039;s not right for Cappuccino to compete with jquery for everyday web sites, or even web apps of flickr or flickr demo type or most of the web apps built today.
Cappuccino would loose.

But it&#039;s not right for jquery to compete with Cappuccino for the types of apps which Cappuccino is supposed to build  like 280 slides or a web version of photoshop.

I have been using jQuery for years now. However, 

I  see the need for Cappuccino, imagining  the kind of web we are dreaming to build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a&gt;  Did someone choose C for enterprise app? If they did, are they still in the market?</p>
<p>b&gt; Did someone use java to write compilers, linkers, loaders? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not right for Cappuccino to compete with jquery for everyday web sites, or even web apps of flickr or flickr demo type or most of the web apps built today.<br />
Cappuccino would loose.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not right for jquery to compete with Cappuccino for the types of apps which Cappuccino is supposed to build  like 280 slides or a web version of photoshop.</p>
<p>I have been using jQuery for years now. However, </p>
<p>I  see the need for Cappuccino, imagining  the kind of web we are dreaming to build.</p>
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		<title>By: cody lindley</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-3459</link>
		<dc:creator>cody lindley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greatly enjoy when tangible code is crafted to make a point. Well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greatly enjoy when tangible code is crafted to make a point. Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Wulf</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-2621</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Wulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic example! Thanks for taking a few hours out of your day to work on this.

Cappuccino definitely has some fantastic technology - but to count jQuery out as script-kiddie is a plain lie.

I just wrote up a post that goes into depth about what Cappuccino is, when to use it vs jQuery, and why. Love your thoughts:

http://welcome.totheinter.net/2008/09/07/cappuccino-taking-the-web-out-of-web-development/

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic example! Thanks for taking a few hours out of your day to work on this.</p>
<p>Cappuccino definitely has some fantastic technology &#8211; but to count jQuery out as script-kiddie is a plain lie.</p>
<p>I just wrote up a post that goes into depth about what Cappuccino is, when to use it vs jQuery, and why. Love your thoughts:</p>
<p><a href="http://welcome.totheinter.net/2008/09/07/cappuccino-taking-the-web-out-of-web-development/" rel="nofollow">http://welcome.totheinter.net/2008/09/07/cappuccino-taking-the-web-out-of-web-development/</a></p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Pixlmixr</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-2618</link>
		<dc:creator>Pixlmixr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m running Firefox 3 ( Ubuntu ) on a 333 MHZ Pentium.  Performance is a big issue for me!  The JQuery version loads a LOT faster.

I&#039;ve messed around with a few other libs (YUI, Moo, Dojo)  but I like JQuery the best -- clear and easily understood syntax, small library footprint and good performance.  Plus a wide array of plugins and an active, friendly developer community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m running Firefox 3 ( Ubuntu ) on a 333 MHZ Pentium.  Performance is a big issue for me!  The JQuery version loads a LOT faster.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve messed around with a few other libs (YUI, Moo, Dojo)  but I like JQuery the best &#8212; clear and easily understood syntax, small library footprint and good performance.  Plus a wide array of plugins and an active, friendly developer community.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.brokendigits.com/2008/09/05/cappucinos-flickrdemo-in-45-lines-of-jquery/comment-page-1/#comment-2616</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an exercise in learning I took your jQuery demo and swapped out the javascript with Prototype and Scriptaculous javascript.  You can find the result here:

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~dburger/demos/prototype/flickr/flickr.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an exercise in learning I took your jQuery demo and swapped out the javascript with Prototype and Scriptaculous javascript.  You can find the result here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.hawaii.edu/~dburger/demos/prototype/flickr/flickr.html" rel="nofollow">http://www2.hawaii.edu/~dburger/demos/prototype/flickr/flickr.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: dak</title>
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		<dc:creator>dak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an ugly (invalid CSS) fix that makes it work in IE7 and lower and Firefox 2. Just replace &quot;display: inline-block;&quot; with these three lines:

display: -moz-inline-box; /* Firefox 2 */
display: inline-block; /* Firefox 3, IE8, etc. */
*display: inline; /* IE7 and lower; star hack. */

The last line, which starts with an asterisk (a syntax error), is only recognized by IE7 and lower. It takes advantage of IE&#039;s broken box model to emulate inline-block using an inline element with hasLayout. By setting the width, you&#039;re already triggering hasLayout, so all we need to do is make sure IE sees the element as inline. The star hack is used to hide this change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an ugly (invalid CSS) fix that makes it work in IE7 and lower and Firefox 2. Just replace &#8220;display: inline-block;&#8221; with these three lines:</p>
<p>display: -moz-inline-box; /* Firefox 2 */<br />
display: inline-block; /* Firefox 3, IE8, etc. */<br />
*display: inline; /* IE7 and lower; star hack. */</p>
<p>The last line, which starts with an asterisk (a syntax error), is only recognized by IE7 and lower. It takes advantage of IE&#8217;s broken box model to emulate inline-block using an inline element with hasLayout. By setting the width, you&#8217;re already triggering hasLayout, so all we need to do is make sure IE sees the element as inline. The star hack is used to hide this change.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando Lins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando Lins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two things we should take into account tho, and I&#039;m not taking sides here, just trying to contribute to the discussion.

- The Cappuccino example works just like iPhoto, when you drag the slider, it does not just resize the images by increasing relative height and width like your jQuery script does, it zooms the images in keeping them centered (both vertically and horizontally) in their own &quot;cell&quot; and each row of cells in its column, until the bounds of the image (and cell) are bigger than the column&#039;s width, therefore moving the image to a new column so it fits. I think that&#039;s a more complex calculation and so takes more time to be processed by the JS engine
- Obj-J or whatever you call the language behind Cappuccino is meant for creating very complex, scalable software (like 280 Slides), with easy handling and desktop-like handling of the project, something I don&#039;t think jQuery can do all by itself. So they have very different publics and objectives, let&#039;s not start comparing them - Cappuccino did wrong by talking about jQuery, but at least they&#039;re saying what is the difference, and not what is better or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two things we should take into account tho, and I&#8217;m not taking sides here, just trying to contribute to the discussion.</p>
<p>- The Cappuccino example works just like iPhoto, when you drag the slider, it does not just resize the images by increasing relative height and width like your jQuery script does, it zooms the images in keeping them centered (both vertically and horizontally) in their own &#8220;cell&#8221; and each row of cells in its column, until the bounds of the image (and cell) are bigger than the column&#8217;s width, therefore moving the image to a new column so it fits. I think that&#8217;s a more complex calculation and so takes more time to be processed by the JS engine<br />
- Obj-J or whatever you call the language behind Cappuccino is meant for creating very complex, scalable software (like 280 Slides), with easy handling and desktop-like handling of the project, something I don&#8217;t think jQuery can do all by itself. So they have very different publics and objectives, let&#8217;s not start comparing them &#8211; Cappuccino did wrong by talking about jQuery, but at least they&#8217;re saying what is the difference, and not what is better or worse.</p>
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